Subject: TRAVELLER digest 244
Date: 95-04-04 16:33:23 EDT
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			    TRAVELLER Digest 244

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: WHAT? and Challenge 76	by "Harold D. Hale" <hdhale@smtpwpo.dayt.tasc.com>
  2) Elergy.	by "Bob Brown" <Robert.Brown@newcastle.ac.uk>
  3) wormholes....probes	by cs5025@wlv.ac.uk (L.T.Bryant)
  4) UK-Timewarp	by cs5025@wlv.ac.uk (L.T.Bryant)
  5) Taking ourselves Seriously	by "Post, D L (Dan)" <PostD%Host2@WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM>
  6) Re: Review of Aliens of the Rim - Hiver and Ithklur (XB#230)	by Mark Clark <markc@brahms.udel.edu>

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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 17:22:36 -0500
From: "Harold D. Hale" <hdhale@smtpwpo.dayt.tasc.com>
To: traveller@MPGN.COM
Subject: Re: WHAT? and Challenge 76
Message-ID: <sf802eec.037@smtpwpo.dayt.tasc.com>

Playing catch up here, my local server was on the fritz....

Bob Brown writes:

>WHAT?
>
>GDW preaches the gospel and Mr Hale doth quote chapter and verse.
>So the primordials never happened and GDP were talking out of their
>"Gary Glitters." IT'S A GAME! We can do what ever we choose and I 
>choose to have >the primordials have a fun old time in the Zhodani 
>territories.  If they didn't exist, >well explain "Knightfall" to me then?
I
>await your reply with indifference

   I spaketh that tis true and righteous according to his holiness St. David
of Nilsen.  Praise be to St. David and all that he commandeth.  Amen.

   For God sake, I stated (and you can check the record) that IF you
wanted to use the Primordials in your campaign, GO AHEAD.  BUT, that
the current orthodoxy does not recognise the Primordials storyline.  I`d
like to see a show of hands here of all the people who run a STRICTLY
orthodox game.  I`ll bet there isn#t a single person here who does.  Those
that claim to may e-mail me and tell me otherwise.  No one said that you
could not use them or for that matter have the Klingons or Battlestar
Galactica or Luke Skywalker show up in your campaign.  What you do
to err... for your players as far as storyline goes is your business.


E.Watters writes about Challenge 76 and GDW:

>Challenge 76 finally hit the shelves in my part of the UK last Friday
>It seemed much delayed, at least three months after 75. A great read,
>especially the Suffren article, but my question to the North American
>recipients of this list is, when was it out in your neck of the woods?

   Here in the glorious state of Ohio (a mere 6 hour drive from GDW
headquarters) it was out about 10 days ago (more or less).

>Our local roleplaying store, Virgin, doesn't even have Aliens of the
>Rim on their lists (odd considering the report a few digests ago of its
>imminent release), they say that Vampire Fleets is out this  month. I am
>getting frustrated!

   Vampire Fleets will be out later this month, possibly in May.  I have in
my possession a copy of Aliens of the Rim which I picked up last
Thursday.

   Say, what about that TNE adventure by that new kid Harold something
or other?  :)


Harold



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Date:          Tue, 4 Apr 1995 00:47:41 +0000
From: "Bob Brown" <Robert.Brown@newcastle.ac.uk>
To: traveller@MPGN.COM
Subject: Elergy.
Message-ID: <199504032347.AAA04905@cheviot.ncl.ac.uk>

It's a shame that MJ and TD have gone, and I for one mourn their 
passing. I still feel that had they had some input to this game, it 
would not have trodden the path it has. Some may critise the 
Primordial theme, however they were forced into the early release of 
the information about "Baddies from the the core," by the impending 
release of TNE. If any of you have read the editorial of MJ4, then you
will know how much these people cared about Traveller and I can't 
help thinking that the systm, that we play today is the poorer for their
loss. 
Does anyone out there know what the likes of Tom Rodgers, Rob Caswell 
and Joe Fugate are doing? I feel it is these people that we should be 
encouraging to write new Traveller articles.
I live in hope of something better coming of the future.
With kindest regards. 
Bob.
"We Fear that which we do not understand" Spike Millighan.

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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:18:17 +0100 (BST)
From: cs5025@wlv.ac.uk (L.T.Bryant)
To: traveller@MPGN.COM
Subject: wormholes....probes
Message-ID: <m0rw5gf-0003tqC@ccub.wlv.ac.uk>

Greetings all.
	With  the worm hole thing being bounced around  the  idea
of using it as a contact method just hit me, 

If  as  has  been postulated the ship at velocity X  and  jump  Y
comes  out  at F, then with a bit of experimenting the  users  of
the  hole could pop out where they wanted, so they decide to  get
a  few jump probes and calculate how to get them to most  of  the
sector  capitals  and  let  fly,  the  probe  Zips  off  carrying
greetings and salutations ETC. 
	The  use  of  this  is to  give  the  incoming  trader  a
advantage,  esp  if  a  small  transmitter  is  added  with   the
capablity of sending the location of the probe.

Coments?
L. Bryant
-- 
oh rose thou art sick
               the invisible worm that flys by night.....STEEL


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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:22:32 +0100 (BST)
From: cs5025@wlv.ac.uk (L.T.Bryant)
To: traveller@MPGN.COM
Subject: UK-Timewarp
Message-ID: <m0rw5kn-0003tnC@ccub.wlv.ac.uk>

Hello
	IN  reply to Mr E.Watters coment on the apperant UK  time
lag  of three months,  This is abought average for most  products
and  usealy dosnt get much better, the best way i found   to  get
most gaming magazines is through the local news agent on order.

	The waight though just makes the hart grow fonder,  after
all  now one said any thing abought the Tank Girl  film  rrelease
date for the uk yet......

L. Bryant. 
-- 
oh rose thou art sick
               the invisible worm that flys by night.....STEEL


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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 95 09:34:00 PDT
From: "Post, D L (Dan)" <PostD%Host2@WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM>
To: Traveller <traveller@MPGN.COM>
Subject: Taking ourselves Seriously
Message-ID: <2F8175D2@MX.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM>


  If true its disappointing  to hear that GDW  writers
aren't taking writing up aliens as a serious task. I know its just
a game,  but suspension of belief should be GDW's main
task. Its like an actor in the middle of the play turning to the
audience and saying "I am doing pretty good, huh!" It
spoils the atmosphere.........
On another note.. someone wrote- "what
about people that have played traveller since 1977 , but
only recently got access to the net"...bingo!
               Dan

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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 13:23:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark Clark <markc@brahms.udel.edu>
To: Derek Wildstar <wildstar@qrc.com>
Subject: Re: Review of Aliens of the Rim - Hiver and Ithklur (XB#230)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950404131551.22557A-100000@brahms.udel.edu>



On Sun, 2 Apr 1995, Derek Wildstar wrote:

> 
> Dear Mark,
> 
> Thank you for the well-written and insightful review of H&I (should
> the official TML nickname of this book be "Starfish and Rubber Chickens?").

Thanks for the very kind words.  You know, I was trying to come up with
something along the lines of "Sneaks and ...." and I just couldn't think
of the second term.  I'd like something that ryhmes, like "Rats and Cats"
or "Cogs and Dogs," but the nearest I got was "Sneaks and Geeks," and I'm
not sure that is as good as the other ones. 

Perhaps all you folks out there can take a crack at it and we can vote on 
the suggestions.

> I wrote to suggest that you may want to give your article a final polshing,
> and send it off to Kevin Knight (publisher of The Traveller Chronicle).  I
> don't know if he publishes reviews, but it might just be worth a shot.

I'll do this, but I'd like some feedback from the net first.  Comments 
are welcome.
 

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